So it has not worked out. Couple of interviews with the Big 4 that I left thinking I did well on, but apparently I did not. So many questions, so many what ifs, so many “shoulda coulda woulda”s. Sad, disheartening and downright depressing.

This was it – one of my final chances. The closest I ever got. It seemed within my grasp and I somehow let it go. The past few days have been difficult. Very difficult, very hard. Its taken a toll on me for sure. The motivation for school, the way I am around people definitely changed. I have worked so hard for so many years to get in, and now its gone.

Not only that, so are the mid-sized…and apparently the good small firms as well. Shitty feeling. Every few days I have this internal fire light up that tells me to push forward, better and harder than before. But then, no results…another step back.

I know I have what it takes. I would not have made it to the interviews otherwise – and I am really happy for the opportunity I had. But man, why did I mess up?

So what next? Just keep at it…hopefully get into a small firm and make my way from there.

Sorry for such a shitty post, just needed to vent some more….

So this has the potential of being one of those controversial posts which might irk a few, but that is what I do best

I know this is a very intimidating time for a lot of us and I know because I’m in the same shoes. Here is what I have found though, a lot of people are searching for the “perfect questions” to ask and end up regurgitating them at events. That is NOT what you are supposed to do.

With all of us bloggers around and great websites everywhere, there is a LOT of information that can be used in a very positive manner. But more than giving you food to spit out when you get there, they are giving you food for thought. Rather than memorizing these questions, UNDERSTAND why they are good questions. It is absolutely ridiculous man, I have seen people at events ask one of these “perfect” questions and then have absolutely no way of keeping the conversation going because they did not plan that far.

One question will NOT make you memorable. A ton of unrelated questions will also not make you memorable in my opinion. The whole point is to have a good CONVERSATION, i.e. a two way flow of words. You ask a question, you listen to the answer and then you follow up with another question or some insight of yours.

What we are lacking severely is self-analysis. Most of us show up at these events with a bunch of predetermined questions in mind that we are ready to spew in to the face of the first person we see. We have no idea what our strengths or weaknesses are, we ourselves have no idea why we are so interested in becoming a CA or work for a specific firm and we have absolutely no idea how the world looks at us when we are talking. All this leads to us having no insightful questions of our own that we TRULY care about. Most of us have never sat down and taken a few minutes, hours, whatever to understand ourselves, our goals or our aspirations. No wonder we trip and fall all over the place.

We have been given ample opportunity to learn how to fish, but we spend so much time collecting fish from others that we have forgotten the need to learn.

Sit down, analyze yourself, assess yourself – see what you look like in the mirror when you talk, look at your actions, hear the words you use, feel your confidence! FIX THIS! Then go out and see what you need to do. The questions will come.

Don’t get me wrong, good advice can be amazing. I have used a ton of websites to get some crucial information but I have realized that all I am doing is creating a building over a weak foundation. If you are better at this than me, then all the power to you. But I urge all of you to take a long hard look at yourself and fix yourselves. It will all go much smoother.

Sorry! I know I’ve disappeared, some would say when it counts most. I’ll be back! Just been really busy with a few things and you should expect a post from me soon…meaner, more entertaining and somehow more helpful than ever (Can’t promise that last part though).

Stay tuned!

Recently the founder of a new website called myCAsite emailed me saying he was launching his site which also has a message board.

Stefano of myCAsite has put in a lot of effort creating a portal for CA students as well as current Big 4 employees. There are great articles there which can be of use no matter what point you are at in your career.

Considering that the purpose of this message board was to create a community, it would be redundant to have two message boards. Considering that he will have greater marketing efforts and will be devoting more time to his creation, I have decided to close down this board and move all traffic to myCAsite’s message board which can be found here.

I hope all current and potential members visit the site and sign up there to create a well organized community that can help serve the purpose of helping each other out in every way possible.

I will still be blogging here at http://big4bound.wordpress.com and will be actively contributing to the myCAsite message board.

See you guys there!

Think about it. Its not like asking 4 girls out to the highschool prom and then saying no to 3. In this situation you kept your choices open and there was no lying involved, just a lot of asking, fantasizing and hand lotion. On the other hand, if you wrote customized poems for each girl, bought flowers/chocolates, and stood outside each girls house playing a song on your banjo, how awkward would it be when it came time to accept only one?

I know its way too far ahead to think about this topic, but someone brought it up the other day and it really got me thinking. How awkward will that conversation be? I guess its good to prep ourselves for the real world and all that bullshit, but really? I mean, we just spent weeks schmoozing and sucking up to all these people, letting them know how much we want to work for the firm, and then we turn around and say no?

I guess its part of the business and a reality that they understand. That being said, what if they were to turn around and say “But in the interview, you made it clear you wanted to work here. Were you lying?”. Then what?

At one of the events a manager was telling me a story he heard. A student called up one of the mid-sized firms and rejected their offer because he wanted to accept the Big 4 offer. Apparently, and again, I am not sure how true this story is, the recruiters of the mid-sized firm got upset. They said they had spent a lot of resources and mostly because so much interest was shown by the candidate. Either way, it did not make a difference to the candidate’s choice. Yeah, sure it is unprofessional on the firm’s side to act like a two year old kid that broke their toy, but isn’t it unprofessional on our part to lie in the faces of all these recruiters?

IwanttobeaCA’s new blogger Emievil wrote a post regarding what it is like working at the Big 4 which as always, got me thinking.

So I posted a new topic in the forums to get some insight. One of our members LYCG who has made some G’d up contributions on the forums already had this to say, which truly is beautifully said.

Agree with this 100%, and it is my second reason for not offering my availability to help with recruiting events this year (the first reason being the UFE). I cannot stand in front of wide-eyed students and lie through my teeth about work life balance and people looking out for you. I suspect recruiters go through a training of sorts where they are instructed on what they can and cannot say to potential candidates, and I’m not ready to sacrifice my integrity just to be able to add “helped out with recruiting” to my next performance review. I believe recruiting should be left to those who love the firm for what it truly is and does.

The post you quoted is true. You work incredibly long hours and then you are told to work on weekends. You’re told to postpone your flight home from an out-of-country client and finish up the file because the rest of the team worked too slowly but they can’t stay on the engagement any longer because they have vacations booked. You’re told to show up at the client after a full day of SOA training even though you’re not booked on the client that day, and you’ll show up because you don’t want the manager to give you a negative review. There is absolutely no sympathy because hey, everyone goes through this. Suffering (for lack of a better word) has become a rite of passage rather than a problem that needs to be fixed.

A piece of advice given to me by one of my mentors (who amazingly does not work at the same firm as I do) is “absorb, but don’t accept.” Learn and understand everything about the firm – what they tell you, and what really goes on. You need to be prepared so that you don’t feel defeated when you discover the truth behind what they tell you during recruiting. Don’t expect the firm to hand you things on a silver platter and don’t leave it up to them to make you feel happy at the firm. If you read my post in the Introductions section, you’ll see that my internal motivation is what drives me to not only survive in a Big 4 firm, but to succeed in it. You need to find your own opportunities to draw recognition to your work, you need to find the people who can facilitate your development, and you need to look out for your own health and work life balance – don’t wait for the firm to do this for you. Think of it not as “what can this firm do for me?” but rather as “what can I get for myself at this firm?” (Although this does not include stealing supplies).

(I really should include a disclaimer with my posts – I don’t want to discourage you guys from joining a Big 4, ha ha. I honestly believe, however, that the Big 4 are some of the best places to gain a variety of practical business experience – the only caveat being that you need to find those opportunities yourself)

I really like the way he said it and the discussion continues here.

I don’t think the point is to shoot down the concept of working at the Big 4, rather it is to prepare people who are going in. I mean can you imagine? You worked hard, fought for it and finally got your “dream job” at the Big 4 only to find out it is nothing like what you expected.

I have been mentioned in posts at IwanttobeaCA and A Counting School so there might be a few new visitors. First of all, welcome.

Secondly, let me tell you – this blog as no rules, well, except you have to censor the swearing. By no rules I mean you can vent out or appreciate it as much as you want. Take a look around, visit our forums or read some posts and leave some comments. Just remember, “be yourself”.

Although each post has been carefully thought out and intelligently articulated (NOT!), here are my picks for the Top 3 posts:

- A request to all my fellow job-seekers

- What’s with the good looking recruiters and reps?

- Shouldn’t this “be yourself” thing work both ways?

And don’t forget. On the right side you will find links to some great accounting blogs which are GREAT resources. Do NOT underestimate them, in fact, read every single one…NOW!

Krupo’s post on the increasing online presence of CA bloggers got me thinking about building an online community.

Usually Canadian students rely on the Careers section of RedFlagDeals.com, but I wanted to see if we could make a better option.

Hear ye! Hear ye! Big 4 Bound is adding a forum for all of us CA lovers. Obviously the forum is in its infant stage and I still have some work to do (aka, start discussions) – but hopefully we can get some traffic going and build a nice little community. Also, rather than focusing on just students, I want it to be a community for young CAs as well.

Please leave comments and/or email me if you have any ideas!

Once again, here is the link to Big 4 Bound Forums

A great post by Narrowing the GAAP got me thinking about a few statements I have heard over the past little while.

As an accounting student, you all know the conversation that ensues when someone is curious about what you do.
Douchebag: So, what are you studying?
Me: Accounting
Douchebag: Aw really? Why? Isnt it so boring? How can you do that for so long

Then you get all defensive and start saving the occupation’s reputation as if someone had just insulted your mom. “NO! It will open up doors”, “It serves a great foundation”, “Its challenging work”. Bullshit. You can’t change the fact that what the person has said will actually hold true for 98% of you. Auditing is boring, there is no way around it. Its tedious work, especially in the first few years and you definitely do not lead a glamorous Young Professional lifestyle that you think you do. Let me repeat, you will not living Ari Gold’s lifestyle anytime in the near future just because you started in the Big 4.

The truth is, most, if not all of us have our eyes on the bigger prize. We’re going for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. We are willing to sacrifice ourselves, our lives and families because we “know” it will be worth it. Basically, we are so sure we will be f***ing Megan Fox in a few years that we have started practicing by masturbating everyday.

Exactly.

Make sure you realize what you are getting into. Do your research, talk to people, read blogs, do whatever it takes to make sure you know what to expect. You know that feeling when you pick up Oreo crumbs from the couch and put them in your mouth, but then realize they are crunchy and have legs? Well that is the feeling of not knowing.

There are some huge benefits of the job, that is why it is popular. But at the end of the day, it is what you make of it. It comes down to the effort you put into the job and how much you are willing to learn. Working at Big 4 but being a slob will not lead you to your goals, and will probably end up costing you your career. Then you can sit there touching yourself again wondering what it would have been like sleeping with Megan Fox.

Apparently the Big 4 missed out on a memo we all received during our time in high school – leading someone on is a bad thing.

What recruiters do not realize is that as students who desperately want to get into the Big 4 and launch their potential-dream-world-multi-million-$-careers, we scrutinize and over-think EVERYTHING. I’ve been through this process before as well and I know that everything a recruiter says, can and will be used against them.

Its so annoying. Recruiters will go out and say things like they shouldn’t be given any importance where we know what they just said could be a huge deal! Last year, one of the recruiters replied to a follow up email of mine and told me how she had been told by another recruiter that I had a good conversation with her. So now put yourself in my shoes? I’m ecstatic! OMG OMG OMG OMG they remember me – this is AWESOME…right? No, not at all. A few days later they send out invites for an invite only event and I was not on the list. WTF?

I hate it. Even small things. Once all our events had ended last year, I was in touch with a recruiter who emailed me back saying once “See you in a few weeks!”. What would you take from that? Sure enough, I never saw her again. I know I know, nothing should be taken for granted till interview calls are made or offers are sent out, but c’mon, as humans I don’t think it is possible for us not to have expectations. If we do something right, and get positive reinforcement right away, we tend to think into it a bit.

I don’t know, maybe its just me. Either way, the Big 4 need to take some advice from the Backstreet Boys – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcifndLkEyM